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NavyChief
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New information has developed on Kerry's Discharge. We have been proven correct in our assertions, however without the proper folks coming forward this will not be public until after the elections.
- Chief
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gulf1609
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| Anyone else want to volunteer to contact? Any other JAG out there? May understand the specifics better. Needs to be military person. |
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ord33
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Chief,
A real quick question if I may. If a discharge is upgraded to "honorable" does it state so on the honorable discharge certificate itself? On Kerry's website the cover letter says "Encl: (1) Honorable Discharge Certificate" -- which I am sure you are aware of...But what if the press hit hard on the release of this certificate, he HAS to have it? Obviously, he probably wouldnt release it if it was negative toward him, but still get people shouting from the rooftops to release the actual certificate. This could be done in a short period of time, unlike signing SF-180. Thanks! |
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gulf1609
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Chief,
Are these men worth contacting or have they already been spoken to? Anything to get the info out earlier? Why can't we just run with rumors, Kerry does-- |
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kimberly
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| NavyChief wrote: | New information has developed on Kerry's Discharge. We have been proven correct in our assertions, however without the proper folks coming forward this will not be public until after the elections.
- Chief |
I guess that's good news and bad news  especially if the 'proper' folks are not willing to come forward 
Thanks for the update!
Kimberly |
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Fort Campbell
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| NavyChief wrote: | New information has developed on Kerry's Discharge. We have been proven correct in our assertions, however without the proper folks coming forward this will not be public until after the elections.
- Chief |
And who would the proper people be? We can be persuasive. |
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stylin19
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| NavyChief wrote: | New information has developed on Kerry's Discharge. We have been proven correct in our assertions, however without the proper folks coming forward this will not be public until after the elections.
- Chief |
Even if Sen. Kerry gets elected ? If he does, it'll never see the light of day
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IDLE13rebelsMC
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| ord33 wrote: | Chief,
A real quick question if I may. If a discharge is upgraded to "honorable" does it state so on the honorable discharge certificate itself? On Kerry's website the cover letter says "Encl: (1) Honorable Discharge Certificate" -- which I am sure you are aware of...But what if the press hit hard on the release of this certificate, he HAS to have it? Obviously, he probably wouldnt release it if it was negative toward him, but still get people shouting from the rooftops to release the actual certificate. This could be done in a short period of time, unlike signing SF-180. Thanks! |
Ladies and Gents:
THE KEY IS "SEPARATION PROGRAM NUMBERS."
SPNs are codes that are contained in military records and may be annotated on various military separation documents, such as the DD-214. These codes are subject to change. The Department of Defense halted the military services from releasing the meanings of these alphanumerics -- heh, because some employers were able to obtain them and find out what sort of individual they were poised to hire. I suppose that puts all of us in the employer's seat, now, doesn't it?
For SPNs prior to the DOD info shut-off, you can google "Separation Program Numbers" and get a slew of sites. Example: everyone in the military remembers someone who applied for a "hardship" discharge. Well that code (227) would appear in the DD-214 and posssibly on other documents.
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one more captins mast
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:35 pm Post subject: ONE MORE TIME,,,,, |
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ITS OUR COUNTRY NOT THESE GUYS IN DC, OURS,
AND FOR SURE THE TIME IS COMMING WHEN WE BETTER
UNDERSTAND THEY DO NOT WANT US PLAYING IN THEIR
"GOLD SAND" of their private sand box.
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ThanksVets
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| Zell on Hannity now.. |
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drjohn
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Idle
Would this be on Kerry's DD214? |
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Hondo
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drjohn:
No - his DD214 was issued in 1970 when he left active duty and transferred to the USNR. It predates any final discharge from the military Kerry received. Officers are not discharged on leaving active duty. Officers have to (1) voluntarily resign or retire, (2) be involuntarily separated for age/years of service/cause/other admin reasons, or (3) be separated as the result of legal action. Only then is an officer discharged from the military.
Fort Campbell:
We need either CAPT Nelson or Mr. Sullivan - or both - to come forward and go public. Alternatively, someone else with PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE that Kerry had received a "bad" discharge might also work. CAPT Nelson or Mr. Sullivan would be preferable, as either was most definitely in a position to have personal knowledge of the facts in Kerry's case.
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Fort Campbell
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stylin19
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| ord33 wrote: | Ladies and Gents:
THE KEY IS "SEPARATION PROGRAM NUMBERS."
SPNs are codes that are contained in military records and may be annotated on various military separation documents, such as the DD-214. These codes are subject to change. The Department of Defense halted the military services from releasing the meanings of these alphanumerics -- heh, because some employers were able to obtain them and find out what sort of individual they were poised to hire. I suppose that puts all of us in the employer's seat, now, doesn't it?
For SPNs prior to the DOD info shut-off, you can google "Separation Program Numbers" and get a slew of sites. Example: everyone in the military remembers someone who applied for a "hardship" discharge. Well that code (227) would appear in the DD-214 and posssibly on other documents. |
My original DD-214 had the SPN #'s showing. When i applied for a replacement, it sent one with the SPN #'s whited-out.
I recently asked for a replacement WITH the SPN #....they sent it without the SPN#.
I've got another request in....(Like I really want to know if the USMC considers me a whacko)
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